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Yes, we still need HealthCARE reform

Submitted by Bryan Buchan on 1-26-2010 – 8:46 amComments

pauletteBy Paulette Garin | PDA Blog Contributor and Cross-posted from Paula’s Blog

As part of a recent medical exam, my doctor ordered blood work to evaluate my overall medical condition as well as follow up on a previously diagnosed vitamin D deficiency.

Prior to consenting to the blood draw, I requested a written estimate for this lab work. I have a $2,000 deductible, which meant that the $397.80 quote would ultimately be my responsibility.

When the bill arrived from the lab, it totaled to $553.50. Here is what I learned from the phone calls I made today.

Call 1 – The Lab. My question: “Could you please explain the $155.70 difference between the amount quoted and the actual bill?” Response: “Call your doctor’s office.”

Call 2 – The Doctor’s Office. Same question as above. Response: “Every insurance company has a contract with the lab as to how they bill and for what amount – a ‘contracted rate.’” The quote that I was given was apparently based upon a self-pay rate or what amount the Dr. office would bill to the insurance company, if they in fact billed the insurance company directly for the lab work. New Question: “How come my lab work was billed by the lab to the insurance company and not by the Dr.’s office?” Response: “It depends upon which insurance company you have.”

Reviewed “Explanation of Benefits” from insurance company with Dr. office billing person. Discovered that none of the total amount charged for the lab work was covered under my plan or received any sort of discount. Advised to call insurance company.

Call 3 – Insurance Company. There is no discount on “non-covered” expenses. Your lab work was coded as part of an annual routine exam and is therefore not covered.

Insurance company representative went on to explain that the lab in question does participate in an “inter-plan re-pricing network.” Had my lab work been coded differently a discount of $448.82 would have been applied and the total bill would have only been $104.68.

Advised to call lab and ask for discount, because some providers will negotiate.

Call 4 – The Lab and Insurance Company conference call. The representative from the lab said, “Your insurance company has to give you the discount our company does not negotiate” and suggested we call the insurance company together.

The original insurance company representative held her ground and said that they cannot allow discounts on “non-covered” expenses. She then excused herself from the conference call.

Pausing to catch my breath, I said to the lab representative, “I pay almost $8,000 annually for a single health insurance policy and this is the best anyone can do?’

Sensing my frustration, the lab representative displayed a bit of humanity. She placed me on hold for several minutes. She called the Dr.’s office and requested that they re-bill the insurance company for the lab work with different coding. No guarantee that they would agree. As it was now almost 5 p.m. on Friday, she advised that I probably won’t have an answer until Monday or Tuesday.

Graciously, she put a 60 day hold on the account to keep it out of collection in the meantime.

Stay tuned.

  • steveparkers
    Your story is very sad, thanks for sharing your personal experience with us. I mostly search health care topics & found the certified reseller of all scripts during search.
  • So, if anyone is stupid enough to resist putting something in place to prevent it, then I certainly hope that they will be around when we get hit with such a Pandemic, to catch the flack for not doing anything about it. It isn’t about whether or not it will happen. It is only a matter of time, before it does.
  • iblogwesthartford
    Careful - the Insurance Industry can be ANIMALS!

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  • lesnakamoto
    I have had similar problems with our insurance company and with our medical providers. And, in spite of the fact that my wife and I have a “premium” insurance package, which is supposed to provide “better” and more benefits, we still get the run around from our insurance company. In addition, our insurance premiums, co-pays, deductibles and out-of-pocket expenses have skyrocketed over the last several years and in particular this last year.

    Several years ago, we had 100% coverage with this “premium” package, and my wife also had continuation of salary insurance paid for by her company for when she might be temporarily unable to work because of an injury or medical condition. That would cover her salary at 100% for the time she was incapacitated. Over the past two years, the healthcare coverage had dropped to 80%, even though the premiums continued to increase. In addition, this year, the company dropped paying any continuation of salary coverage for their employees, so if she wants to continue to get that from her company, she has to pay that in addition to the already high premiums and other expenses we’re going to have to shell out of our pockets for our “insurance”, and even if she does pay for it, it only covers up to 50% of her salary. Our deductibles went up from $600 last year to $3,000 this year (they had originally told us that it was going to be $4,500, but after going ‘round and ‘round for several months and different answers from different representatives, they finally agreed that it was $3,000). They also increased our out-of-pocket from $1,250 to $9,000. So with all the increases, we will have to shell out $21,500 annually for our insurance, and our own medical expenses. In addition, they don’t include prescription drugs in the out-of-pocket, so that also gets tacked on as an addition to the $21,500. One of the prescriptions that I have to take went up over 400%. This policy is only good for one year, and I can expect, as with anyone else, that that will continue to increase every year if there aren’t any legislative restrictions imposed on the insurance companies.

    The policy also restricts how much physical therapy I can get per year, to the point that it is close to useless. The insurance company only considers physical therapy beneficial if you have an improvement of physical ability for functional or employment purposes. They don’t care if it provides pain relief. If the therapy doesn’t demonstrate a significant improvement in function or strength so that you can perform a job, they won’t cover it. Even if it provides pain relief so that you can do your job, they won’t cover it.


    We’ve had to deal with having to go ‘round and ‘round with resubmitting paperwork to both vendors and insurance companies, because of their incompetence or refusal to simply follow up on an issue that could be easily resolved if they just looked at it. But, instead, they drag these things on for MONTHS, while threatening us with garnishment of wages, and making negative entries to our credit record, because the insurance company refuses to pay for something that they had previously stated that they would pay for, and the vendor or doctors office is demanding payment directly from us.

    We’ve had insurance representatives tell us that we are not covered for a specific procedure, at all, and then months later we find out from a different insurance representative, that our policy had no specific denials for the procedure at all! I’ve had discussions with insurance representatives to have them look up in their contact logs, what had been discussed or determined during previous conversations, and while they claim to tape all calls for “quality control purposes”, they only go by what the representatives type up in the call logs, so if the information has not been typed in by the representative, then according to the insurance company, you didn’t have that conversation, and you have no way of verifying that you ever got a particular response from the insurance company. I’ve had to resort to recording all of my discussions with them so that I can play it back to them, when they deny that it ever happened.

    We have had the run around from medical vendors, and the insurance company on a multitude of issues, where the insurance company claims they are going to pay for something, and then they turn around and deny it; or the insurance company tells our doctor that a procedure is approved, but tells US that it is NOT approved; if we want anything in writing from the insurance company to document that they approved the procedure, (a pre-approval is not enough, because even with that, the insurance company can still turn around and deny you coverage AFTER you have had the procedure done, and now YOU get stuck with the entire bill), we have to get a pre-determination of benefits – where the doctor sends in a request for a procedure, properly coded for the insurance company, and then the insurance company has their clinical team review and match the request to your policy to determine whether or not the policy actually covers you. The doctor has to send in a pre-determination to match the policy to the benefit. The doctor has to send in a procedure code, which the insurance company can approve or deny, based on the clinical team reviews, to match it to the policies requirements.

    You can’t believe anything you hear from your insurance company, because based on who you talk to, you get a different answer. That’s why you always have to get it in writing.

    We were told that we could find out what our Medical Coverage Policy was, on their website for any specific procedure or drug. Yet, the first thing that pops up on the screen, when you attempt to access the information is a DISCLAIMER, that tells you that they are “for informational purposes only and should not be relied on in the diagnosis and care of individual patients.” It further goes on to state that “Medical Coverage Policies are guidelines and do not constitute medical advice, plan pre-authorization, an explanation of benefits of a contract. Statements made here do not indicate a procedure is covered under any specific plan.” It goes on to state “There may be coverage differences for plans for specific coverage. For self-insured plans, coverage is determined by their specific plan benefit. The Medical Coverage Policies may not contain all applicable state and Federal mandates.”

    Then it tells you to “click OK if you agree.” It won’t allow you to go forward and see what the Medical Coverage Policies say, until you agree that the Medical Coverage Policies AREN’T actual policies that the Insurance Company has to abide by, but only “guidelines”, and DON’T constitute an explanation of benefits or a contract!

    Then what are they there for? Why would they give you so much information on what their policies “are”, when they put in a disclaimer, which you have to agree to, which states that the insurance company doesn’t have to abide by anything in it?

    Can everyone agree that, if your insurance company suggests, implies or otherwise represents that your policy will provide you with coverage for a specific problem, that they should actually be legally held to a standard that requires them to do so?

    Can everyone agree that, if your insurance company refuses to give you specific written documentation that insures that they would pay for drugs or a procedure, which they have pre-authorized a physician to prescribe or perform, that they should still be required to pay for those expenses, because they authorized the doctor to go ahead?

    Can everyone agree that, if your insurance company has presented you information regarding what your policy will, or should provide, that they cannot then fall back on a “disclaimer” that says that nothing presented can be considered legally binding?

    Given that the top two health insurance companies control 80% of all of the health insurance policies written in the United States, and that the top 6 insurance companies enjoyed a 400% increase in profits over the last six years, there isn’t an issue of insurance companies not having enough money to pay out benefits to their policy holders. If that were the case, then insurance companies wouldn’t be spending, on average, 30% of their income on “overhead”, which includes executive salaries – which are 400-450 TIMES higher than the average wage earner. When you combine that with 40% profit in just one year that amounts to 70% of all the money they take in. That only leaves 30% of the total amount they take in to actually provide medical / healthcare benefits to their policy holders. By comparison, Medicare, which is a Government run program, is NON-PROFIT, and has operating overhead of only 2-3% of the total amount that is collected. So, who is more efficient, and provides more actual healthcare to the people who PAID FOR IT?

    The sad thing about all of this is that, it is all painfully obvious what SHOULD BE DONE, when you are EXPERIENCING the ramifications of current POLICY. The problem is that only a small percentage of the people, ever have to go through the economic devastation that a catastrophic medical condition creates, so that most people don’t care, until they have to experience it for themselves.

    But from a National Security standpoint, not having universal healthcare in place to insure that everyone, and anyone, is treated for their illness or other medical condition, opens us up to the increased probability of a Pandemic, like the Bubonic Plague or Avian Flu, or anyone of a thousand other types of illnesses, which could be treated and thus, held in check to prevent it from exposing our entire population to a massive death toll. If we don’t do anything to insure that even those without the money to get proper healthcare, can get it early on to prevent more serious illnesses, then we expose ALL OF US to increased threats of Pandemics. So, if anyone is stupid enough to resist putting something in place to prevent it, then I certainly hope that they will be around when we get hit with such a Pandemic, to catch the flack for not doing anything about it. It isn’t about whether or not it will happen. It is only a matter of time, before it does.

    It’s been said that when God, or whatever higher power you believe in, is trying to get your attention about something, He starts off by lightly tugging on your shirt to get you to see what you need to see, and need to do. When that fails, He might start poking you with His finger. And when that fails, He might smack you upside the head.

    All too often, we seem to need to be smacked upside the head. And I’m afraid that this just might be one of those situations.
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